The Next Townhall Meeting

[Kandace Commons]

I didn't get this notice from Shaun, I guess SL is being it's usual self, so reposting here in case others missed it:


Edit: Forgot the date/time, sorry! June 6th at 6pm.

June's town hall meeting will be on friday because I'm still doing ren faire. on the docket will be:

1. Open Floor Brainstorming to understand the citizen's of new babbage in their expectation for nudity and our mature rating. Possible covenant modification to follow.

2. information about our upcomming web presence at www.newbabbage.com and what we'll offer on the site.

3. more information about brunel heights, perhaps a peep at the pre-fabs you'll get with your parcel!


Agenda item #1 is an interesting topic. I thought we could have a pre-discussion about it before the townhall (which is in ~3 weeks). Please post your opinion on how you perceive Babbage's 'mature' sim rating. What should and should not be allowed when and where, in your opinion?

[MissLily Nightfire]

I have not yet done extensive research into this matter. But this is SL, not RL Victorian England. And in SL there is a need to advertise, or else people will not "know" about any business. In addition, there are a lot of women doing things in Babbage that were not done in Victorian times. For example, how many woman in the 19th century built furniture? How many built battleships? Probably some, but I'm guessing there were more brothels that advertised, than women building custom ordered furniture. As a reference librarian with a masters degree, I will consider this a reference question and get to work on finding out the answers.

[Canolli Capalini]

I see your point, however.. a woman building custom furniture is a lot less offensive to a lot of people than an advertising brothel. Surely you can see that.

[Skusting Dagger]

And war is inoffensive? It's fun?

[ElvisOmar Oyen]

Yes and no. To an anti-suffragette entrenched in Victorian ways of thinking, a woman building furniture might, in fact, be more offensive. The argument might be that a burlesque is populated by women and men of low standing, and with little chance of redemption, whereas a woman of character and breeding who elected to work with her hands is a woman who would be a model of British or American womanhood, if only she would stop handling those blasted bench planes and wearing trousers!

As Miss Lily so wisely pointed out, New Babbage is decidedly not historic Victorian England. And I would say thank goodness! I want women in trousers and leather aprons making beautiful crafts (even if she were not my good friend)! And I also want flirtatious and titillating places to visit in New Babbage! I want 13-year-old boys driving steam cars! I want undersea laboratories! I want all sorts of things notably absent in the real world of 1888.

[Storm Thunders]

If we don't get a lot of historical info, I've got a rl friend who's a sex historian who could probably point in the right direction.

I don't know about England. In the US they did often have fliers passed around and playbills put up for playhouses, dancehalls, and gentlemens clubs. Having one up by a pub or the docks wouldn't have been out of place. Wouldn't see one in the town square or within easy sight of a church, and I expect the word "exotic" would be a lot more accepted than "erotic." I am curious now where the lines were drawn. Most of the things I find quickly on the web are more about theater or musical performances than baudy until I get to the 20s.

[ElvisOmar Oyen]

Flyers, posters and handbills were a visual assault on the Victorian eye in the less-well-heeled neighborhoods of London, Paris and New York in the 19th century. There were few if any regulations to posting such material, and few were concerned with taking down out-of-date material. See the film The Prestige for a somewhat more accurate depiction of this, as opposed to the idealized vision we often see in BBC television dramas of the period.

There is no doubt whatsoever that a bared breast could occasionally be seen in a tavern by the docks of the foggy old east end of London. In those times, as well as in New Babbage, people of breeding likely to have their sensibilities offended by such sights simply remained at home, venturing out only to attend respectable commercial, social, and religious functions in respectable and well-policed districts.

[Storm Thunders]

They look to be a lot more subtle than the adverts of the 20s!
I was pointed to Evanion Catalogue

The name of a place (star and garter), mention of a separate ladies' dining area, private rooms, the listings of female names in bold type...
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/evanion/Record.aspx?EvanID=024-00000507...
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/evanion/Record.aspx?EvanID=024-00000044...
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/evanion/Record.aspx?EvanID=024-00000205...

[Storm Thunders]

Ack. That first pic got garbled. Do a search in the catalogue for the word "Garter". The first of the three for that place is great.

[Meadow McBride]

Does anyone know what time the meeting will be? I got the notice, but no time is mentioned on it :)

[Storm Thunders]

- Friday, June 6th at 6pm SL time. The time was up on the title.

[Meadow McBride]

Ah, thanks :) I only got it via email, and my email saw fit to chop the end of the title off!

[Kandace Commons]

(I added the June townhall meeting to the calendar)

I personally don't care what people do in private behind closed doors. They're fools if they expect real privacy, but as long as they take reasonable precaution to not be in public view I'm OK with it. Oh, and on their own property or with the landowner's approval. I've encountered several instances of people entering other people's homes or establishments ununvited to have sex or take erotic photos.

In public I think we should strive to uphold a standard of modesty for many reasons. It's a victorian sim, we don't want to offend any visitors or aspiring residents, and it's frankly just cheap, unimaginative and trashy looking to be wandering around the streets with your nipples hanging out. Luckily most of the people I've seen doing that were not residents. That is something else we should discuss at the townhall meeting I think. If the covenant is amended in some fashion for public nudity, we might have to start asking some visitors to put on more clothing.